tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post115303184629221559..comments2023-05-12T10:57:46.378-04:00Comments on Citizens Band: Defensible Action by IsraelJayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11567651866214611434noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-68652359720902242682008-05-04T09:24:00.000-04:002008-05-04T09:24:00.000-04:00Israel is the major power, and holds the upper han...Israel is the major power, and holds the upper hand.<BR/><BR/>As the major power it is, or should be, entirely capable of controlling the pace & nature of this interaction.<BR/><BR/>The fact that controls in these hands leads to 10:1 ratios of Palestinian civilians being killed for every Israeli --<BR/><BR/>Is indicative either of supreme strategic incompetence, or wilful political atrocity.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Are the Jewish race, unable to act like adult human beings & cease their squabbling justification and slanted arguing?<BR/><BR/>Before people argue with this.. grow up. You need to do better than slanted self-justifying argument, try behaving like adults & decent human beings -- if you *genuinely* wish to live in peace.<BR/><BR/>You have the upper hand. You have the power. Nobody else.<BR/><BR/>Try acting like you deserve it.<BR/><BR/>-- ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-1156365254541121042006-08-23T16:34:00.000-04:002006-08-23T16:34:00.000-04:00Dude, where'd all the posting go? I don't care abo...Dude, where'd all the posting go? I don't care about sports, give me politics and economics!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-1154469884787845652006-08-01T18:04:00.000-04:002006-08-01T18:04:00.000-04:00hey jay, um okay i'm not trying to restate everyth...hey jay, um okay i'm not trying to restate everything that's already been said, and it's possible that i don't know what i'm talking about, butt...i agree with your second post b/c it doesn't seem to me that attacking civilians in Lebanon is an effective way of destroying hezbollah or fundamentalist movements in general. hezbollah provides the lebanese with a government, with social services, and with an illusory protection. if the lebanese are attacked by israel, i think they're much more likely to hate israel than to hate hezbollah; if they're helping hezbollah survive in this war by hiding their weapons, soldiers, etc, that means they're on hezbollah's side. what you said about lebanese supporting their original govt and not hezbollah...i wonder if those are the sentiments of most lebanese or just a select few; either way, i think that a significant number of lebanese would support hezbollah even more during wartime and hence join their forces. a war right now could temporarily disable hezbollah, but i think that it would just fuel fundamentalism overall b/c it'd make more lebanese (such as those that support hezbollah already) hate israel and hence join the other side, which happens to be fundamentalists; people who may not be fundamentalist terrorists at heart would become fundamentalists because that is the party opposing israel, and they would want revenge and protection, both of which they'd get by joining the fundamentalist movement. perhaps i'm just rambling and don't know what i'm talking about, but it seems like the only effective way to destroy an organization like hezbollah is to first of all somehow remove it's fuel, which appears to be foreign money in this case, nad second of all give its people (Lebanese civilians) protection and basic social services (food, shelter, medical care) to get back on their feet with their own govt so they have an alternative to the terrorists...and i guess all of that is something the UN could/should be involved in...which is why i agree that a cease-fire some time soon would be a good thing.....just a thought -nehaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-1153872862174776182006-07-25T20:14:00.000-04:002006-07-25T20:14:00.000-04:00All of these op-ed writers you are infatuated with...All of these op-ed writers you are infatuated with so much are just like the idiot pundits on all the 24-hour news networks that Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert mock every day. This isn't going to last a few weeks, there's going to be a "Security Zone!" Defensible? [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5215366.stm] I still advise you to open your eyes, young man. [/url]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-1153294825818895342006-07-19T03:40:00.000-04:002006-07-19T03:40:00.000-04:00A few quick items of note before I hit the hay...F...A few quick items of note before I hit the hay...<BR/><BR/>FRIEDMAN in today's <I>New York Times</I>:<BR/>"On the peace front, let’s see, Israel gets out of Lebanon and Gaza, and what is the response of Hamas and Hezbollah? Build schools, roads and jobs in their recovered territories? Nope. Respect the border with Israel, but demand that Israel continue to withdraw from the West Bank? Nope. The response is to shell Israel from Gaza and abduct Israeli soldiers from Lebanon. Hamas and Nasrallah replaced the formula 'land for peace' with 'land for war,' said the former Mideast envoy Dennis Ross."<BR/>~<BR/>KRAUTHAMMER from today's <I>Washington Post</I>:<BR/>"The other Arabs have spoken, too. In a stunning development, the 22-member Arab League criticized Hezbollah for provoking the current crisis. It is unprecedented for the Arab League to criticize any Arab party while it is actively engaged in hostilities with Israel. But the Arab states know that Hezbollah, a Shiite militia in the service of Persian Iran, is a threat not just to Lebanon but to them as well. Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan have openly criticized Hezbollah for starting a war on what is essentially Iran's timetable (to distract attention from Iran's pending referral to the Security Council for sanctions over its nuclear program). They are far more worried about Iran and its proxies than about Israel. They are therefore eager to see Hezbollah disarmed and defanged."<BR/>~<BR/>THE DAILY STAR of Lebanon reports today that an Israeli major general says <A HREF="http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=74076" REL="nofollow">"the fighting in Lebanon will end within a few weeks."</A> His comments give support to the idea that Israel is not seeking to occupy Lebanon as it did back in '82. THE <I>GUARDIAN</I> (UK) says that Israel seems to have the <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1823817,00.html" REL="nofollow">"green light"</A> from the U.S. and Britain, temporarily at least.<BR/><BR/>By the way, it should be noted that the same <I>Daily Star</I> article points out that the number of Lebanese civilian casualties thus far is above 230, while the number of confirmed Hezbollah killed is only 5. Yikes! The Wikipedia entry on the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict" REL="nofollow">Israel-Lebanon conflict</A>, I believe citing AP reports, says 12 Israeli soldiers have been killed along with 13 civilians.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567651866214611434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-1153249441125327622006-07-18T15:04:00.000-04:002006-07-18T15:04:00.000-04:00Thanks for the advice about the columns, I'll try ...Thanks for the advice about the columns, I'll try that! I should clarify I guess, our friend isn't actually Lebanese but just an American visiting, unfortunately at the wrong time. He's been updating facebook frequently so it's good to have that reassurance. Though I haven't seen more than a couple pictures, I'm sure we'll have more soon :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-1153205068915028842006-07-18T02:44:00.000-04:002006-07-18T02:44:00.000-04:00Hafiz, please don't mistake my post as out-and-out...Hafiz, please don't mistake my post as out-and-out advocacy of war. I prefer peace as much as the next guy, but in this case firmly believe Israel's right to respond is justified. If its neighboring governments can't control their territory, Israel must step in to ensure its own security. Exercising infinite patience is not an option here, and with the lack of a viable diplomatic avenue, Israel unfortunately has to respond militarily. Honestly, if you were in their place, could you rationally act in any other way?<BR/><BR/>With regards to warfare and the impact on civilians, you present an impossible case. There is no easy way to separate the Hezbollah guerrilas from amongst the Lebanese people. They operate from the same neighborhoods and they hide their rockets and missiles not in easily identifiable forts or other clearly delineated military installations, but rather in civilian homes and garages. Israel, with no choice to go after Hezbollah, will unfortunately hurt Lebanese civilians in the course of fighting the guerrillas. In fact, this makes me all the more mad at Hezbollah for exposing their innocent countrymen to danger. These bastards know that civilian casualties will inflame the population against Israel and solidify Hezbollah's position. I only hope that the ordinary people, the real victims here, realize what is going on and get the strength to sideline the extremists. In the mean time, Israel must proceed with the utmost caution to avoid looking like indiscriminate attackers--I am sure they are already more than aware of this. With regards to attacking infrastructure like bridges, I know it is regrettable, but in war it is a necessity to hinder the enemy's ability to mobilize, organize, and execute. By the way, Israel says the airport was bombed because it served as a central hub for transporting weapons and supplies to Hezbollah...<BR/><BR/>Anyway, according to <A HREF="http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8CEC68E6-3CEF-4E1B-907B-EF4B8F4D5585.htm" REL="nofollow">this al-Jazeera column</A>,my hopes are at least partially founded that some Lebanese are tired off being led down a futile path by Hezbollah. Especially encouraging is the way some Lebanese feel about how Hezbollah must be made subordinate to the (democratically chosen) Lebanese government. "Whatever the agenda of Hezbollah is, it is not necessarily the agenda of the Lebanese people," says a man quoted in the article. "They have not been designated by the Lebanese people to decide what is best for the country."<BR/><BR/>Amen. I think people realize this is not the same Hezbollah of two decades ago; here it is easier to see Hezbollah's role as provocateur in the current crisis. I hope there are many Lebanese like that man quoted, though I understand that there will never be a Lebanese movement against the extremists while Israel is attacking. Hence, I hope a cease-fire comes soon.<BR/><BR/>Let's try and come up with a solution to this problem that works for everyone. I think what needs to happen is that an international group is going have to broker a cease-fire, enable Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah, and have Israel withdraw to proper and defendable borders. Better pray that this happens soon, or we're all going to see a lot more unfortunate images on the nightly news.<BR/>* * *<BR/><BR/>Andrew, I feel your pain about the subscriber-only <I>New York Times</I> columns. What I would recommend doing is typing the author and name of the column into Google; there are unofficial blogs and other sites which republish the restricted access columns for free and available to all. While the official position of Citizens Band remains pro-subscription, I think this work-around might benefit you. :-)<BR/><BR/>Regarding your Lebanese friend, I hope he or she is ok. I do wonder, though, if this person has managed to take any interesting photos; at the least, I'm sure there's a story worth telling. I guess it's weird that this is one of the first thoughts that goes into my head, but in this era of digital cameras, blogs, Facebook, et al., it'd be almost a shame not to have some record, no?Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567651866214611434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-1153156301425788962006-07-17T13:11:00.000-04:002006-07-17T13:11:00.000-04:00Dude, you've got to stop linking to those pay-only...Dude, you've got to stop linking to those pay-only NY Times articles :( Anyway, Rob X and I know a Cornellian trying to get out of Lebanon right now so it's hard to approach the situation objectively, but it does seem like Israel has a tendency to have the right idea but then carry it out recklessly with a lot of negative consequences for civilians. But I really don't know. I do think Israel can justifiably defend itself, but it's quite a conundrum how to do that without doing this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10021039.post-1153112252300528772006-07-17T00:57:00.000-04:002006-07-17T00:57:00.000-04:00Dude, you fail to realize that nearly all of the c...Dude, you fail to realize that nearly all of the casualties perpetrated by the Israelis are civilians. The Lebanese people are taking the brunt of this conflict. Bridges and even Beirut's airport are being bombed. Defensible? Open your eyes, young man. If just Hezbollah had been targeted perhaps that would be the case. But again Israel seems to not care who it hits. The Lebanese people, even the ones who are pro-Western (the ones who rallied around Hariri as a martyr, kicked Syria out, and sucked up to the West) are sure to resent all Western powers for allowing Israel to indiscriminantly attack their country and make every one of them a target. These so called "non-state actors" you speak of are revered by everyone where they are, and I'm pretty sure Hezbollah is gaining and not losing support for their efforts. Hezbollah ended an occupation by a foreign state which had committed war crimes. The same state seems to have not learned its lessons. Read angryarab.blogspot.com, perhaps it may give you some insight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com